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NordicG3K |
Vltor Fortis release: pick your date! |
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Okay, I know I can't do anything to make that Vltor Fortis Vice Model suddenly appear in my eager hand, but I can make a wild guess as to when it might
happen. Just for the hell of it I'm going to say November 15th. What's your guess?
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takjr |
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Hoping to hear anything from Vltor after the NRA convention, but I was hoping (the latest) by September. Hoping....as all of you are...
Ted |
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0848usmc |
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Jan 20, 2010....And it will be a long wait afterwards to get hands on one unless Vltor does allow a pre order. I hope it is sooner but this is just a guessing
game.
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St Vitus |
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Not until the legal wrangling over the copyrights is through and they can actually release it as the BREN TEN by Vltor, not labeled FORTIS......
Pb Precision, LLC
"We deal in lead, friend......" 6342 NW 18th Drive, Ste #2 Gainesville, FL 32653 352.335.1911 pbprecision@cox.net |
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Bren10Man |
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I am going to be in the States for 3 weeks this July. I was hoping it would be released by then.
I guess not. I hope they hurry before Body Odor does any damage to the 2nd Amendment.....esp. with the racist and anti-gun Sotomayor as his SCOTUS choice......
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/bren10man/Rocky2.jpg
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St Vitus |
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July: That would be nice!
As it stands right now, I'd be happy enough if they would break with historical tradition and release magazines without guns first, rather than the original 1984 method
Pb Precision, LLC
"We deal in lead, friend......" 6342 NW 18th Drive, Ste #2 Gainesville, FL 32653 352.335.1911 pbprecision@cox.net |
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Jimster58 |
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OK...November 15th...of WHAT year??
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds
forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Texas A&M, 2007 winning definition of a contemporary
term/phrase competition.
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NordicG3K |
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Jimster58 wrote: Sorry, I can't be any more specific... |
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stymie |
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*consults his magic8ball...
"The date is: 04/01/2010" Then again, it might be easier to persuade Tim Bixler to make me one from scratch! Of course, that's right after I purchase the "Tim La France Commerative Bren X"... |
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BruceMO |
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Not until the legal wrangling over the copyrights is through and they can actually release it as the BREN TEN by Vltor, not labeled FORTIS...... This may lend some insight as to what is going on. Taken from the Wikipedia website: Maintaining trademark rightsTrademarks rights must be maintained through actual lawful use of the trademark. These rights will cease if a mark is not actively used for a period of time, normally 5 years in most jurisdictions. In the case of a trademark registration, failure to actively use the mark in the lawful course of trade, or to enforce the registration in the event of infringement, may also expose the registration itself to become liable for an application for the removal from the register after a certain period of time on the grounds of "non-use". It is not necessary for a trademark owner to take enforcement action against all infringement if it can be shown that the owner perceived the infringement to be minor and inconsequential. This is designed to prevent owners from continually being tied up in litigation for fear of cancellation. An owner can at any time commence action for infringement against a third party as long as it had not previously notified the third party of its discontent following third party use and then failed to take action within a reasonable period of time (called acquiescence). The owner can always reserve the right to take legal action until a court decides that the third party had gained notoriety which the owner 'must' have been aware of. It will be for the third party to prove their use of the mark is substantial as it is the onus of a company using a mark to check they are not infringing previously registered rights. In the US, owing to the overwhelming number of unregistered rights, trademark applicants are advised to perform searches not just of the trademark register but of local business directories and relevant trade press. Specialized search companies perform such tasks prior to application. All jurisdictions with a mature trademark registration system provide a mechanism for removal in the event of such non use, which is usually a period of either three or five years. The intention to use a trademark can be proven by a wide range of acts as shown in the Wooly Bull and Ashton v Harlee cases. In the U.S., failure to use a trademark for this period of time, aside from the corresponding impact on product quality, will result in abandonment of the mark, whereby any party may use the mark. An abandoned mark is not irrevocably in the public domain, but may instead be re-registered by any party which has re-established exclusive and active use, and must be associated or linked with the original mark owner. If a court rules that a trademark has become "generic" through common use (such that the mark no longer performs the essential trademark function and the average consumer no longer considers that exclusive rights attach to it), the corresponding registration may also be ruled invalid. Bruce
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"RAP is to music what Etcha-Sketch is to art."-Unknown
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GARY1911A1 |
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I would just be happy to have one in hand this year. While using the name "Bren Ten" would be nice, I could certainly own and shoot a Fortis just as
happily. What's that saying, "A Rose would be a Rose by any other name".
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surfgun |
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If we are lucky 3/17/2010. I'll be collecting some shamrocks!
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takjr |
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Vltor (if still doing so) should not bother about Bren Ten trademarks (at this time). It is the lineage that counts. I am sure all of us could care less what
name is on the slide. It's time to get the production guns out; even if the slide is bare, non-marked, I could care less. Vltor should stop sitting on a
pile of fertilizer waiting for the grass to grow on this one.
We (in the know, at whatever degree of speciality) know where this design came from. In a year (or two, or three...) then come out with a Legacy Collector "Bren Ten II" but for now, naming it the "Fortis" is fine with me. What do you guys think? Ted |
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NordicG3K |
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If this is the hold up, I agree. Sell it as the Fortis now, and down the road rename it the Bren when and if that gets worked out. Who knows, those who end
up with a "Fortis" may have a collectible!
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tenfan |
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I can see both advantages and disadvantages to using the Bren Ten name. Some may have bad memories of it and that could hurt some sales. Those of us who are
"in the know" about the gun will be delighted to see it back in production and the name won't matter. I think they should get them out as soon
as possible before the current socialist administration puts any more restrictions on gun sales regardless of what name they have to put on them. I want one
even if there is no name on it!!
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St Vitus |
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I'm with Gary, Ted and Nordic on this one..... If I could get a slick slide version (no engraving) I'd be all over one in a heartbeat. I have a local
shop that can handle the engraving if I wanted the BREN TEN markings added. I had even suggested this to Eric last year when I was made aware of the copyright
issues. Somehow I don't think this is the only hold-up though.....But I remain patient and hopeful.
Pb Precision, LLC
"We deal in lead, friend......" 6342 NW 18th Drive, Ste #2 Gainesville, FL 32653 352.335.1911 pbprecision@cox.net |
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Jimster58 |
Are we having fun yet? | ||
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Does anyone have actual, verifiable information on the copyright issue surrounding the Bren Ten/Fortis designation and it's hypothetical effect on the
actual release of the pistol by Vltor? From Vltor/Eric, etc..or is this another exercise at highly-speculative ad-naseum rumor-pot-stirring out of sheer
boredom and frustration?
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds
forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Texas A&M, 2007 winning definition of a contemporary
term/phrase competition.
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BruceMO |
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I'm sure that it's one issue but not THE issue. There is still too much money to be made with black rifle components.
Bruce
"RAP is to music what Etcha-Sketch is to art."-Unknown
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Goldbead.nframeforum |
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Two months from last up-date so this should have been the "update day". So much excitement! All the pictures! To think this is what it is like to
get a "real time look into the development of a pistol".
I hope I don't have to go through this again. My guess for release date? Never.
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St Vitus |
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Jimster,
I agree with Bruce on this one. I have had firsthand conversations with Eric regarding the copyright issues. No, that is not the only hold-up, so I suppose I was posting in a somewhat speculative fashion..... Although I'd love to see the Fortis hit the market with ANY name on the slide, I'd still prefer it say BREN TEN... Kimber, Springfield, Charles Daly, heck, even Taurus all call their renditions a 1911 pistol. To me, this gun is a BREN TEN and to call it anything else wouldn't be the same.... That being said, there's still an awful lot of money to be made with black rifle parts......
Pb Precision, LLC
"We deal in lead, friend......" 6342 NW 18th Drive, Ste #2 Gainesville, FL 32653 352.335.1911 pbprecision@cox.net |
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Jimster58 |
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St Vitus,
I understand the frustration...and I agree, I'd rather have a Bren Ten in the grand scheme of things...and it did have an "odd" feel to it to have it named the Fortis when it was first introduced as such, but again, I'd rather have the pistol and be able to enjoy it instead of having it have a particular name. I hope that since they are taking their time with things, even the things of minor significance, maybe they'll fix that funky truncated dust cover design on the frame and give the slide rails full coverage and additional rail engagement...it was distict, certainly, but useful...not really, and seriously evoked a "what were they thinking?"...it also seems like a "three steps forward, two steps back" scenario... Cheers, Jim
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds
forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Texas A&M, 2007 winning definition of a contemporary
term/phrase competition.
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